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Post by gugesbri on Sept 27, 2008 21:37:22 GMT -5
Joe, if you are going to treat the comic book industry like a "red headed step child", then stay in the gaming industry.
It's a shame that such an over-publicized book could never be released on schedule and meet it's expectations.
The story of Ultimates 3 was good but a bit rushed.
Your artwork, that is usually top notch, looked rushed.
Christian Lichtner's coloring was beautiful but Marvel butchered the printing. I would like to see a re-release of the series as an on-line PDF for purchase. That way there will be no need for a CMYK conversion of the pages and we can be treated to the true glory of Christian's work.
Hey Mad, if you can't meet your deadlines, Don't commit to a series.
This is the same crap that image comics use to pull in the early to mid 90's. It hurts the distributors, retailers and eventually us the fans. Stay in the video game industry so as not to treat us like "second class supporters."
Sincerely disgusted by your lack of interest in this project,
Gustavo Pabon
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Post by DaveCummings on Sept 28, 2008 7:06:46 GMT -5
Dude, there's a whole forum on here where you can rant about stuff like that. Because your whole message reeks of trollish baiting.
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Post by paullavallee on Sept 28, 2008 10:48:19 GMT -5
Who gives a nuts if it's late. Whats the deal with people needing their title every month anyways? I will gladly substitute quality over quantity. If that means waiting a few extra months for artist I like, so be it. If you don't like it Gustavo, then don't buy it. Don't support something you don't appreciate, and save yourself the belly-ache.
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Post by gugesbri on Sept 28, 2008 11:16:56 GMT -5
Dude, there's a whole forum on here where you can rant about stuff like that. Because your whole message reeks of trollish baiting. As a loyal fan of the comic book industry, I feel that lateness in projects and lack of quality and interest only damages this wonderful industry. It was not my intention to make my post sound like "trolling". Once in a while we as fans we have to let creators and publishers know that we are paying attention to quality. I've seen what Joe Mad is capable of. This was way short of his best efforts. Gustavo Pabon |
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Post by gugesbri on Sept 28, 2008 11:21:39 GMT -5
Who gives a nuts if it's late. Whats the deal with people needing their title every month anyways? I will gladly substitute quality over quantity. If that means waiting a few extra months for artist I like, so be it. If you don't like it Gustavo, then don't buy it. Don't support something you don't appreciate, and save yourself the belly-ache. It's not belly aching. Its care for a wonderful art form and medium that I have supported for 30 years. People like me and many others out there who have supported the comic book industry during its "highs and lows". People like me who were supporters before you. We continued to purchase books when It looked like the industry was going disappear. It's love and devotion to the best form of communication on the face of the earth. We the fans must continue to voice our opinions, both positive and negative. We are the people who support publishers and creators. They are no different than "politicians". They beg for our money and continued support. Well then, lets make them work for our support. Then and only then will the quality of their work continue to improve. It's simple bro, Power to the people |
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Post by kable on Sept 28, 2008 14:51:27 GMT -5
Gugesbri
I sort of understand your frustration, however its a comic book at the end of the day.The worlds not got going to come to some grinding halt !
I have the view, that at least Mad completed the project.The comic book industry is thrieving at the moment with plenty of variety, why not just read the other fantastic titles out there!
If you really want to gripe look at the ultimate wolverine vs hulk situation... where is issue 3 & 4...frankly though who gives a damm.
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Post by LabSOUND on Sept 28, 2008 15:02:09 GMT -5
Joe, if you are going to treat the comic book industry like a "red headed step child", then stay in the gaming industry. It's a shame that such an over-publicized book could never be released on schedule and meet it's expectations. The story of Ultimates 3 was good but a bit rushed. Your artwork, that is usually top notch, looked rushed. Christian Lichtner's coloring was beautiful but Marvel butchered the printing. I would like to see a re-release of the series as an on-line PDF for purchase. That way there will be no need for a CMYK conversion of the pages and we can be treated to the true glory of Christian's work. Hey Mad, if you can't meet your deadlines, Don't commit to a series. This is the same crap that image comics use to pull in the early to mid 90's. It hurts the distributors, retailers and eventually us the fans. Stay in the video game industry so as not to treat us like "second class supporters." Sincerely disgusted by your lack of interest in this project, Gustavo Pabon I for one thank Joe for making late books, I love the wait. It's more fun when you finally get the comic. I got use to it, it's really no big deal, man. I'm sure Joe did Ultimates for the fans cause he could have stayed in the game industry. I'm sure Joe had the worst schedule trying to do Ultimates and Darksiders at one time but he did it and by the looks of it, Ultimates was his first priority cause he's still not done with Darksiders. Gugesbri, you said you supported the industry for 30 years. I personally know 28 people that left comics in general but picked up Joe's run. If anything, he helped the industry a whole lot by coming back. Finally, we have a section for your frustration it's call "ranting". If you're going to come up with things like "stay in the video game industry" and " red headed step child" go there next time. There's alot of ways to make your voice heard without sounding like a 10 year old. The Mad fans has heard them all, so get in line buddy  |
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Post by LabSOUND on Sept 28, 2008 15:07:19 GMT -5
Gugesbri I sort of understand your frustration, however its a comic book at the end of the day.The worlds not got going to come to some grinding halt ! I have the view, that at least Mad completed the project.The comic book industry is thrieving at the moment with plenty of variety, why not just read the other fantastic titles out there! If you really want to gripe look at the ultimate wolverine vs hulk situation... where is issue 3 & 4...frankly though who gives a damm. Ultimate Wolverine VS. Hulk, lol. I totally forgot about that. Joe should finish the last issues of that book ON TIME just to give people something else to complain about  |
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Post by mkk on Sept 28, 2008 16:07:12 GMT -5
Ugh. Do we even know for sure that these delays are Joe's fault? And even if they are so what? Occupy your time with something else, I mean, you DO have a life right? The issue will come out when it comes out.
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Post by gugesbri on Sept 28, 2008 20:00:59 GMT -5
I appreciate the responses guys.
All the best,
Gustavo pabon
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Post by Sketchlogic on Sept 29, 2008 1:07:38 GMT -5
Please tell me what art of Joe's are you comparing to in order to come to the odd conclusion that his work looks rushed lol? Also.....did you ever once consider that Joe may have been on time but other 'workings' of the business caused the book to come out later than mentioned? In any matter, im sure you will stand in line for an autograph or sketch should Joe come to town lol...
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Post by garn on Sept 29, 2008 4:57:05 GMT -5
I feel I have to agree with gugesbri here. as someone living in lodon iam sick of being told to 'put up or shut up'. from signal failures being more regular than tube trains and road works that go on for months on end my time is filled with people telling me 'tough luck mate.'when someone says they'll do something i expect them to be telling me the truth. its how i treat others and take it very seriously when i fail to miss my targets. This was supposed to be a monthly comic and lateness here and there is to be expected but when it begins to be a regular talking point it is something that needs to be addressed and those resposible brought to task over it.
the excuse that, "it's only a comic book" and "simply read something else" make no sense. for one i think 'only a comic' makes little sense in a world of multi-million pound movie adaptions, round the corner and end of the street long lines for artist and writer signings and god knows how many comicons per year. we are at a time where there are more comic fans than ever and the writing and art work of comic producers are being recognised outside of their fields (frank moore covers nearly all of these elements by himself). as for 'read something else' this is a forum for fans of joe mad's work and this is a thread about the ultimates 3.
I dont think it is wrong to be angry about being let down by someone you expect more from. there is a good point about there being no indication that the delays were joe's fault which is true, but there is also good point about this not being mad's best work and i for one have to agree. this isn't, just compare some of the latest pieces he's done for darksiders. the level of detail is staggering and clearly shows a man who is having the time of his life, and more importantly stretching himself as an artist something he was not doing on ultimates. i truly believe that this title has come second in mad's affections and wonder why he has returned to comics if it is no longer a challenge for him.
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Post by LabSOUND on Sept 29, 2008 10:50:16 GMT -5
I feel I have to agree with gugesbri here. as someone living in lodon iam sick of being told to 'put up or shut up'. from signal failures being more regular than tube trains and road works that go on for months on end my time is filled with people telling me 'tough luck mate.'when someone says they'll do something i expect them to be telling me the truth. its how i treat others and take it very seriously when i fail to miss my targets. This was supposed to be a monthly comic and lateness here and there is to be expected but when it begins to be a regular talking point it is something that needs to be addressed and those resposible brought to task over it. the excuse that, "it's only a comic book" and "simply read something else" make no sense. for one i think 'only a comic' makes little sense in a world of multi-million pound movie adaptions, round the corner and end of the street long lines for artist and writer signings and god knows how many comicons per year. we are at a time where there are more comic fans than ever and the writing and art work of comic producers are being recognised outside of their fields (frank moore covers nearly all of these elements by himself). as for 'read something else' this is a forum for fans of joe mad's work and this is a thread about the ultimates 3. I dont think it is wrong to be angry about being let down by someone you expect more from. there is a good point about there being no indication that the delays were joe's fault which is true, but there is also good point about this not being mad's best work and i for one have to agree. this isn't, just compare some of the latest pieces he's done for darksiders. the level of detail is staggering and clearly shows a man who is having the time of his life, and more importantly stretching himself as an artist something he was not doing on ultimates. i truly believe that this title has come second in mad's affections and wonder why he has returned to comics if it is no longer a challenge for him. There's a big diffrence between the way you expressed yourself and the way he did. All of us here at the boards just get tired of these attacks. "Stay in the Video Game industry" comment wasen't necessary. |
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Post by gugesbri on Sept 29, 2008 13:20:15 GMT -5
I feel I have to agree with gugesbri here. as someone living in lodon iam sick of being told to 'put up or shut up'. from signal failures being more regular than tube trains and road works that go on for months on end my time is filled with people telling me 'tough luck mate.'when someone says they'll do something i expect them to be telling me the truth. its how i treat others and take it very seriously when i fail to miss my targets. This was supposed to be a monthly comic and lateness here and there is to be expected but when it begins to be a regular talking point it is something that needs to be addressed and those resposible brought to task over it. the excuse that, "it's only a comic book" and "simply read something else" make no sense. for one i think 'only a comic' makes little sense in a world of multi-million pound movie adaptions, round the corner and end of the street long lines for artist and writer signings and god knows how many comicons per year. we are at a time where there are more comic fans than ever and the writing and art work of comic producers are being recognised outside of their fields (frank moore covers nearly all of these elements by himself). as for 'read something else' this is a forum for fans of joe mad's work and this is a thread about the ultimates 3. I dont think it is wrong to be angry about being let down by someone you expect more from. there is a good point about there being no indication that the delays were joe's fault which is true, but there is also good point about this not being mad's best work and i for one have to agree. this isn't, just compare some of the latest pieces he's done for darksiders. the level of detail is staggering and clearly shows a man who is having the time of his life, and more importantly stretching himself as an artist something he was not doing on ultimates. i truly believe that this title has come second in mad's affections and wonder why he has returned to comics if it is no longer a challenge for him. Thanks man, thanks for understanding. All the best, Gustavo Pabon |
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Post by maverick1104 on Sept 29, 2008 15:24:36 GMT -5
Okay, there are some points to everyone's post that I agree with and then there are some posts I don't.
First off, this IS a rant (which I have been known to do sometimes), it should've been posted under that section.
Second, the way gugesbri went about this discussion was not the best way and could have been handled a little better, but I do understand his point. "Stay in the video game industry" is kinda a bad way to get your point across though.
Third, this is a JOE MAD! forum. We as fans of Joe Mad! must understand that there will be posts like this from time to time. They may not always be thought out like this one here, but this is a forum. These things occur here. As long as they're civil, I feel that there is no problem with stating your opinion.
Alright. I want to start off with my opinions with this....I totally agree that these statements are crap: "it's only a comic book" and "simply read something else". We as fans buy this book with OUR money and deserve not to be lied to and when Marvel solicits a book, it should be delivered at that date. They should NEVER solicit something without it being done. This is what happens when you do. And it is a total smack in the face of the fans. I have no problem if Joe couldn't meet his deadline. He is a busy man. It is Marvel who is responsible. To call out Joe on him being late or not is really not the case.
I personally feel that Joe's artwork felt a little bit sketchy with this series. That is not a bad thing at all and maybe what they were going for. Plus, without having inks, it can make it look sketchy/watercolor-ish. Again, not a bad thing. I feel that this series was maybe not the best for the type of artwork Joe produces. This was in my opinion an X-Men story. Not an Ultimates story. To me, his style fits the fantasy genre way better anyway.
So, with all of this said, I must say that this does effect the comic industry. Late books are really annoying and personally, if Ultimates 5 would've been late one more time I would have cancelled it and waited until the hardcover. Why should I give my money to a book that can't come out on time?
Oh, to clarify if Joe was done with the book or not you can look at posts made by Joe. You'll see that he himself said that he was finishing up a page with the Hulk on it. This was after the book was supposed to be done. Again, Marvel should not solicit it if the artist or whomever is not done. Not Joe's fault. He didn't schedule the release of this book.
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