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[Madman!]

Well I liked this girl for a long time now and never said anything because I knew she had a boyfriend and I didn't think anything would happen. These last couple weeks though it seemed like everything was working. I mean I don't know how I was so wrong. She would say things, when I told her about going on the vacation what her boyfriend would think..she would say like "who cares what he has to think," that happend like a couple times where it sounded like their relationship isn't working. When I asked her if she would break up with her boyfriend she never said like your crazy that isn't going to happen..it looked like she was considering it, now she makes it seem like I'm crazy and I'm making it up out of no where.

I never ask girls out, I usally like one girl that I'm really attracted to and it might take me a year to say anything to her. So usually I'm not really stupid and rush into things and I didn't in this case either, but man I just feel like I'm going crazy, cause the last three girls are just like "what are you talking about, we're just friends and nothing was going on."

You guys are right though, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut from now on and wait until I know without a doubt, cause I'm getting tired of getting rejected.

Thank God I have my Ultimates 3 mad! pages to cheer me up..now you guys are mad at me too huh? ;D

[Sketchlogic]

You fricken suck Madman (Joe's pages....im so glad he can trust you, thats an honor, a true honor and i would definitely do the same if i were you in your position)...don't not worry about rejection . Took me more than 2 decades to finally end up in a wonderful relationship so you're not alone, and i would even wait days or months just to say hello to a girl i was attracted to lol.

[drazen]

aw man that sucks, you can sue her for false information
I was like you once when I was younger waiting long time and all, and when the thing with the girl happens the girl wants m efor a week or two and then dumps me , then I started to fast things up and not act infront of them girl-being my cheerful crazy weird perverted self brought success 'was strange but I didn't complained I was being myself and girls liked it to tell you the truth I knew my wife from 6 or 8 days before we got on the third step ;D then a year after we got married ;D

don't let that stuff with the women go in your head- depression does no good- I got a year and a half that I more depressed then ever cuz of a b...h , there's atleat 6/7 girls waitin' for ya like you was waiting for that girl(be careful with 'em- waitng that long for you- they would want you baad ;D )

[maverick1104]

Well, the thing that sucks is, us sensitive guys like a girl. The girl knows this but can't be straight-forward and be like, dude, I don't really like you like that. They have to feed us lines cuz they are afraid that we'll get our feelings hurt. Too late. Just tell us straight-up and it wouldn't be so bad. Yeah, it'll still suck, but at least we would know and then could move on to greener pastures. Thats who I'd like to me, someone who knows what they want and is straight-forward. I don't want someone who drags me along while she decides if this or that is what she wants. Bitter? Yes, I am.

I do know this, once you finally move on or whatever, your life will seem better. But if you sit and dwell on whether or not it could happen...well, that just gets you nowhere. And girls aren't attracted to mopey guys who just got their hearts crushed. It'll get better, Madman!. I keep telling myself that and y'know, what...it eventually will. You can't rush happiness.

[Byrne]

Byrnes dissertation on dating

From a different prospective, when I was in my first few years of high school I was very timid with girls. I would always wait for them to come to me in hopes that they would ask me out. Even then I was so insecure about my self that I would end up just being there friend. You have to be careful about this. It will be good for you to move on with your life now that this has happened but don’t let it move you to withdraw from trying to make new relationships.

After completing my first 3 years of high school with out ever having a really good relationship I decided that I was going to try something different. So for my senior year of high school I made some big changes. Instead of waiting around for girls to come to me I stepped out of my comfort zone and I started going to them. If I new a girl that I thought looked good and I also enjoyed talking to her I would ask her to go out on a date with me. To my surprise far more of the girls I asked out said yes compared to the ones that said no. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that every girl that I went on a date with ended up being my girlfriend, that was not the case at all. But I had a great time and most of the time they did to.

I just wanted girls to like me for who I am and I didn’t want to wait around for a girl to find me anymore ether. So If I thought there was even the smallest chance that they might like me then I would ask them out. Then, on the date I would be myself. If they liked me and had a good time, I could tell and we would soon be out on another date. Believe me this works far better then waiting for a year or two hoping to find out for sure if a girl likes you. Think of all the girls you could ask out on a date in that amount of time instead of waiting around for just one girl to come up to you and tell you that she likes you and its ok for you to ask her out. In fact I don’t think your chances of that ever happening are very good at all. It was only a few months after I started asking girls out that I found my first serious, long term girl friend. I also meet my wife the same way. In both cases, I saw a girl that I thought was attractive so I tried talking to her. We could talk and have a good conversation and I felt like she was interested in the conversation so I asked if she would like to go to a move or a game or out to eat. In both cases they said yes and from then on I knew they liked me enough to want to see what I was like.

Give it a try, I’m willing to bet that you will have far more luck this way then anything you would accomplish by waiting around for her to come to you. Remember also that not every girl will want to go out with you but you can tell this when you talk to them. If you can't seam to have a good conversation with the girl then you might not want to ask them out on a date. And sometimes even when you do have a nice conversation with them and you ask them out they will say no or make up some excuse but that’s ok. Just move on.
This worked for me and I know it would work for anyone that gives it a try. It’s only a matter of stepping out of your comfort zone and talking to them.

Any questions

[Madman!]

So at work tonight I talked to her. So I played it cool and just was talking to her, she told me that she had a bad night and that she was staying at a friends because her and her boyfriend weren't getting along..I didn't ask if they were breaking up or anything, I just let it be. Today she called right as she got off work...wtf?

[windowview]

Wow, thats a weird kind of situation there. If I were you I would continue to lay low for a bit since you kind of put yourself out there already and just play it by ear.

[maverick1104]

You're her comfort. She seems to only come to you when things go badly elsewhere. Not to be negative or anything, but if she really cared for you shouldn't she need you as more than just that comfort? Look, I don't know her like you know her but I am still going through some of those same things. She just really doesn't seem like she knows what she wants. And it really isn't fair to you that she keeps getting your hopes up. Until she knows what it is she exactly wants, it really isn't a great idea to pursue her. Trust me, I know. I know all too well. It is so much easier said than done, though. Sigh.

[Byrne]

Mav, is right on this one Madman! I think that if you keep playing it cool like you say your doing then you will come out with the best results. if she really likes you then she will see that she has to do something to let you know that and that she will have to stop the nonsense. Keep us up to date with what’s going on. I hope it works out well for you.

[drazen]

I too am with mav on this situation.

I'm always on the side that says slap some sense in her head, but this time I say play cool and let her come to you ;D

[dan]

Try to make her jealous, say something like "hey i can't talk right now, because i have a date/i'm in a date" or something, (make her see you're the man) if she gets jealous(the next day at work, or in the phone or whatever) it's because there is something there

if it's common that you talk to her at work, don't do it like a couple of times to see how she reacts.

Also, if you talk to her and she start talking about the "boyfriend" try to change the conversation, to make her think about something else, and if she ask you why, you say something like "i don't care about that stupid guy that makes you feel like Sh!t"

make her feel special without kissing her ass, because that can be a pain in the ass after a while too, for her

[Madman!]

Yeah I guess I'm just going to have to play it cool. The only good thing is I'm on night shift and she is on days right now, so it's not hard to play like I'm not interested..eventhough I think I'm going crazy. There is some girls I like and there are some girls I really like she is one that I really like so this is kinda hard to just let it go and let it happen.

[Byrne]

I know what you’re feeling, but you have to do your best. If you give in now it will only get more complicated try to get involved with one of the other girls you like, just to take your mind off her.